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\end{itemize}  The third topic is the lack of career oportunities for people who write software.  \begin{itemize}  \item{people who develop software that the community use should be recognized more for their efforts!}  \item{It would be great to have more career options for researchers who focus on software development in the astrophysical community. Too many good researchers who contribute lots of great software to the community have been forced out of the field because of lack of recognition for their work and lack of funding for people other than those who publish several science papers a year.}  \item{Software development is evidently as important a tool in modern science as mathematics and just as it has historically not been deemed wise to outsource all mathematics to professional mathematicians I believe a large fraction of scientific software development will have to be accomplished by scientists who are intimately familiar with the problem at hand. Perhaps more than is the case for mathematics though the paper metric used for hiring scientists often pushes excellent software developers out of science and into industry who are then lost to us.}  \item{I find that my observational colleagues are often unaware that we as computational scientists need to write proposals for supercomputers like they write for telescopes. Also when we write science proposals (e.g. NASA NSF) we have to lie about how much time we will spend developing code say only a few months when in reality it occupies most of the grant period since code development is frowned upon (except within the new NASA ROSES program PDART started in 2014).}  \end{itemize}