What are the challenges in communicating about open issues? I can speak just about my country, Colombia, where we have a lot of problems. Maybe in Latin America we have this tradition in Open Access and that could be right but there is also a lot of bureaucracy in Universities... I will put just a plain example: four years ago I had a radio show on the radio station of my University (Universidad Nacional de Colombia) that was about do-it-yourself culture, free culture, and open access. I tried to put it under Creative Commons license, I don't know exactly which one. Of course I would love BY, just BY license, but I tried to look University experience using Creative Commons and there were a couple of experiences from the library and from the, ahh, and an imprint from the University Human Science faculty that they use these Creative Commons . Of course the most closest one that know there advantage was and so on. And I showed this like evidence to the I don't know to the policy makers of the University. Look, I just want to do the same thing, but with audio, and then we can just post a link and people can load the podcast, because it was broadcasted in FM but I just wanted to create an archive. And it took them 2 year, 2 years, with the whole evidence, just to tell me "yes". To give like a, green light, it took them 2 years. And I guess that when you have this kind of lawyers and policy makers they are really afraid of doing the things open so I think that that will be like a problem and I don't know...we have to like... like the people get to know this things better. Examples is open media and others that we should know about. I remember yesterday I was talking to, it was not you, it was another person, taht right now, there is this NGO in Colombia, it is "Charisma" and they are like very very close to the Creative Commons chapter, because the chair of this NGO was the lawyer that like 10 years ago adapted the CC license from the America legal framework to the Colombian one, that they are very different. And they I think that they won this grant from I don't know, if it was from Creative Commons or something, to do this collaborative podcast between a lot of Latin American countries they just send their contributions about local histories in their own countries about making thing, I think it was like "vuela libre", like fly free or something it was called because it was like sending letters between each other. And, it was great, they just put together this podcast sometimes the some quality was not good, because it was recorded on Skype I guess. But the idea was really good. And I think that right now in Colombia also like the scene the scene the independent publishers are looking also in open media very much because they just love books, I love books for example, but they realize that this kind of hybrid approach and having the .pdf, and that people can't download the .pdf and maybe they will engage with the piece, with the book, and they will buy the physical one so it's like the way to go. I think it's kind of that direction.